There’s a kind of float – a sense people are detached from how you understand an idea, but what is that detachment, it’s left as a floating variable. A hovering question mark.
Plus on top of that, when someone comes out with something, you can’t be sure that’s what everyone thinks. But hey, someone made a video, so there’s enough commitment there to aim at.
Warning: This post dips into some semi industrial grade nihilism. It gets fairly caustic.
It’s at 215 seconds, if this thing isn’t embedding properly.
Responsibility and punishment don’t really make sense?
How were they supposed to make sense? What were they, just some sense of rising vengeance or something? Never mind what that rising emotion did, just let it rise and manifest physically?
“If we’re just a product of our past then we don’t really choose to do the things we do”
I honestly can’t get my head around this, really – not in one singular vein. Part of it I think is just hard wired excuse making. Got an idea for making an excuse? Express it! If it works, you get out of a lot of bad stuff. If it doesn’t work, the caloric effort of breathing a few words was very low. Low chance of working but low cost of making the effort to begin with Vs perhaps avoiding big bad stuff == making lame excuse.
Another angle I try to get it from is best described as there being like two words – one where we are creatures of positive and negative feedback – you touch the hot plate, you scald your fingers, you don’t touch it again. The other is the exact same world, but from the perspective of a creature that is unaware it is a creature of positive and negative feedback. So in this ‘world’ the creature just ‘does things’, to quote the Joker. They choose, they don’t come from a compilation of hotplates and sundaes. Imagine suddenly taking away the idea of ‘free choice’. What would such a creature navigate from then, in regards to a legal system? Nothing, of course. The legal system is to them an expression of vengeance (or something). And it’s for that purpose because…vengeance! ‘Choice’ is a product of the imaginary plane of existence not at all involving being a compilation of +/- feed backs.
The idea of a penal system that’s basically like repairing broken mechanisms, that’s just off the radar for people in this ‘world’. But fair enough, the penal system as of this present day doesn’t do that – in fact it breaks mechanisms worse than before. But that kind of speaks of a commitment far beyond this video.
But anyway, ‘Oh why would it make sense for anyone to suffer, oh! How can we be punished for something we didn’t choose?’.
It’s like saying you should only go through a treatment if you made a pact with the devil. No devil means no treatment, right? Once the devil – ie, choice – is gone, how can you be punished (/have your negative feedback systems stimulated (and be locked away from slightly more sane society))?
Well, I guess the devil is gone, but the deep blue sea that there is no compilation of negative and positive feedback, that’s still there in this second world. Things get pretty wonky when you remove only part of the supernatural ecology.
And completely butcher the idea of determinism. Putting it into major malfunction. Or at least how I understand the word.
Including completely butchering the idea of complexity in those negative and positive feedbacks. The many, many scales involved, each tipping onto other scales, which tip onto other scales and so on. Sometimes in a loop. A deep complexity so rich that made making up imaginary worlds where there are no scales at all both absurd and yet makes sense to operate from – you don’t know how your computer works, how the internet works. But that thin knowledge you have that gets you the images on screen that you want, you just focus on that – and ignore the greater complexity. And so mankind ignores the greater complexity of its own positive and negative feedback system. It’s a positive feedback to ignore ones own methods of positive feedback. Ignorance is bliss.
Which means, until sufficiently advanced technology is deployed, there may as well be hope. You don’t get determinism when thinking ‘oh, it’s all just an iteration of the past!’. Sure, determinism’s hope is like some sort of monstrous version of what you’d call hope – like Frank Castle is a monstrous form of justice. Behind the fantasy second world stands something real, but twisted, mutilated and spindled in comparison.
But while the deep blue sea remains, the devil soon enough rises yet again.